Wednesday, April 25, 2018

Part VII Hard Rock Cafe @ 30.96 Hastings Mike Ma Metal Works Forum Hydraulic Press

June 5, 2017

 [Etchers Anonymous] My first time using citric acid with the ferric..

Dear all,
check out the Etchers Anonymous on Facebook...called the Edinburgh etch..citric acid/ferric chloride. see reply to me from my question..apparently gives a more resolute line (crisper?)...pick up citric acid at any Mediterranean food store and the Ferric chloride from electronic store and play with and compare to using ferric chloride only...have Fun !


mike ma

(Ed. Note:  Another kind of Anonymous: Edinburgh's mysterious literary sculptures)
Absolutely Fascinating in detail


September 29, 2017

Metalworks HRC

--Dear all,

We will be commencing a class- Metalworks for Mondays 9:00 AM- 12:30 PM..
 I will be bringing in my Hydraulic press and accessories and some of the work produced from it usage .. the works will be spread on the table and you can get some ideas as to what you would like to achieve..

over time I will introduce other aspects of shaping metal with formers/stakes ..

each month I receive a mystery box sent to me from what it holds I dunno! but that should create another twist in the use of the hydraulic press ...

this week we will look at: Various dies - silhouette/impression and learn how to make your own dies from plexiglass..I would suggest you have available a flash drive 8-16 G memory in the case I can download ideas/books or DVD sets on various aspects of jewelry making from my laptop. as well bring in some 18-20 gauge sheet-Copper/Brass..

We can start out by pressing out bracelets..any scraps can be further roll milled to 28-30 gauge where we can strike out impression patterns which will be at the class as well. 1st class - Hydraulic press usage - dies-disc cutting applications using the al.

cheers all,



October 12, 2017

Metal Works  - Pancake dies

Dear all,

 picked up 4 new pancake dies to be used with the hydraulic press...the theme is Leaves:...earrings n' a ring..

when using these pancake dies it is important to make sure your metal is hardened and not annealed.

...if you do start with annealed metal you can roll mill the copper/brass/silver to harden it or take your metal sheet and with a rawhide hammer can harden over a steel block.

the gauge for the Leaf theme pancake dies should be anywhere from 20-24 gauge depending on what die pattern you are using. see Pancake dies attached.

see ya'll on Monday October 16th-2017 at 9:30-12:30 for metal-play

cheers mike


October 13, 2017

Hi all,
i am posting some web sites that'll have you up and running with regards to the use of the hydraulic press.
1) I purchase my equipment and accessories at: each month end ,I receive 4-5 new accessories - the Mystery Box...this month's theme is Leafs. there are dozens of video feeds on Potter's site using various dies. his newest hot items are dies..its hot hot stuff.

Mystery Box

Nancy L T Hamilton
 following specifically the works of: Jon Kisro (former employee of PotterUsa) Mellisa Muir- on youtube for video feeds using hydraulic press. Nancy LT Hamilton-video feeds for a wonderful overview of everything in metalwork-inspirational and funny!
Joni Kisro

3) there are paper cuts patterns, plexiglass dies and different patterns using plastic sheets over 3 containers..feel free to use any of them for your projects. will provide some design motif books and CD's of patterns as well.



October 21, 2017

Metalworks-Inspiration and Resources

hi all,

 just a quick note to explore Inspirations and Resources:

1) VCC-downtown: 3 sections on Jewelry Design/techniques/general books- located at the VCC campus downtown in 3 distinct areas of their library. Why.dunno !

2) 3 showcases containing 12 shelves of the works of the students registered in the jewelry program at VCC-downtown..these probably change as the students start exploring their course project requirements. Explore some of their current works.

3) DVD's at VCC-downtown- about 12 DVDs on stone setting/cabochon setting (Michael Boyd) bring your own laptop with DVD reader...

4) VCC - downtown campus, magazines on jewelry are: Metalsmith, Lapidary-Jewelry artist and magazine Metal Arts Guild of Canada (toronto based mag.) I note that we have a Metal guild here in Vancouver .. somewhere (memory escapes me on this now) .. but that last magazine (Metal Arts-Toronto) is quite interesting in my estimation for a small publication (like the Metalsmith mag. not on steroids)

5) Exploration for Inspiration at the Vancouver Public Library is on the 5th floor which houses the Arts .. on the same floor is the magazine section which has a plethora of inspirations from African sculptures to furniture/metal/plastics/tinnitus and the skeptic et . al .. a compendium of the magazines hangs outside the stacks and the mags are alphabetically arranged.and if you are into manga/cartoons check out these which could be patterned off and incorporated into etched works.Take your lapidary templates and search for patterns much like a mathematician does but find a quiet area as this might be construed as: Hmm.




Metal Works    October 29, 2017

Texture plates carve onto plexiglass

Hi all,

these were some of the dies which I worked on at home a few years ago when we were closed down as a club. It was a fertile time for me because I worked alone and with focus on multiple projects of discovery . I was introduced to Facebook and joined different groups. These dies are constructed  easily using plexiglass carved with burs . The tooling is inexpensive and the diversity of creating variation unimaginable. Over time posted many of the dies to select persons directly and to our members of HRC participating in the Metalworks class . will send a few email feeds each week on Sundays that I posted from the past.



October 29, 2017

Hi all, 
Here is a response received from a noted jewelry company - Rio grande.   I had experienced problems after having made a 2 1/2 inch circular die and thinking we could use a large 6 inch square urethane pad of one inch thickness to create a silhouette item outcome. I worked on this project with Elly B. and it was a miserable failure. eventually we found a solution and learned a lesson here. the lesson was there is a limit to what a hydraulic press can do..its not a simple walk in the park and you have to ask the experts for advice.


mike m.


Thursday, 26 Nov 2015 
Subject: Is hydraulic forming right for you?
Hello mike,

It looks like you may be interested in learning about hydraulic forming! I'm one of Rio's in-house experts on the process and thought I might be able to answer some questions for you. I'd be happy to schedule a phone call with you. We can discuss your needs and how hydraulic forming might meet them. Just respond to this email and let me know if you're interested!

Rio Grande
 Monday, January 18, 2016
Subject: RE: Is hydraulic forming right for you?

Dear Mike,

When working with a silhouette die to create a 2.5 circle you definitely want to work with a smaller, contained urethane like the 3” you ended up using. The reason for this is when your polyurethane is under pressure it seeks out the path of least resistance.

If using the 6 urethane that is not contained, it will displace itself in many directions and therefore not have enough pressure to form down into the pattern of the die no matter how many tons of pressure you are using. If the urethane is fully contained then you are able to direct the movement into the die allowing for the best efficiency. Also, using a urethane closer to the size of the die also allows for that greater efficiency in making your impression.

I've attached a PDF on silhouette dies and it has a lot of great information included. I hope it will be helpful to you.

As far as what is the 6 urethane used for, it is used quite a bit for dapping with the large mushroom former. Therefore, if you were wanting to form something like a cereal bowl you can use the large mushroom former and the 6” urethane to press out that shape for the bowl. Another use is to put something like a repousse looking impression into a very thin piece of metal like 24 gauge or thinner.

For example, you would first put down a 6” piece of Kevlar (this will protect the steel), on top of the Kevlar you can put down some things like washers or bolts, etc., then the thin copper sheet, then the 6 urethane. From there you can make the impression of these pieces into the metal giving it that look similar to what repousse  does.

I hope this will help to answer your questions. Please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,


Sunday, January 17, 2016  

Subject: Re: Is hydraulic forming right for you?

dear Maria

made a plexiglass/wood composite silhouette die for 2.5 inch circle ...... using the 6X6 inch -95 durometer urethane pad i purchased from Rio grande tried using 18/20 22 and 24 gage annealed copper to form the hemisphere and it did not work ... what is the  purpose use for this 6X6 inch pad ... in my estimation maybe would work using an compressor system and a 50 tonne press but i don't understand the reason for its  use with manual 20 tonne hydraulic press..can you pose this question to your technical staff and/or Mr.Poirier himself ... the 3 inch 95-durometer urethane pad worked great with no problem. In my estimation this is wasted money unless you can share what purpose others are deriving from it..

i thank you

mike m.

Metal Works - October 13, 2018

Dear all,

    went to Central Library/ always checking the newest books that come in...make sure we are the first to view opportunity.

        1)   Super symmetrical Papercuts Patterns for Artwork, Keepsakes, Greeting Cards and more-FOLD IT & CUT IT- includes templates to cut or trace
              CEN 745.54 S555f      
Super symmetrical Paper Cuts Patterns
2) Sherry Serafini's -Sensational Bead Embroidery cen 739.27 S48s    
 attachment of the covers of the above books and a few pages sent.
   we will be doing Fold-Forming next week..bring in 20-24 gauge copper/brass 1 in. X 7 in. strip...we will roll mill the strips to 24 gauge which is the best thickness to use as per Travis Ogden!! Discovered something new by one of our classmates..L.D. was using a jack hammer Foredom attachment. as she used it the unit became quite hot, enough for her to drop the hand-piece. the following week we used another foredom pendulum drill machine and the jack hammer head still became too hot. At home i reviewed the information on Foredom tooling with regard to the jack hammer hand-piece and discovered that the jack hammer unit using our 18,000 RPM machine was not appropriate. Actually the jack hammer unit is only slated to be used at 5,000 RPM or less . The cam inside the piece that oscillates to create the jack hammering action creates at 10,000-18,000 too much friction which creates lotsa Heat !. I guess we have to run our Foredom at lower speeds or purchase another unit..check out the 3 new Foredom drill machines on youtube ..very informative. Did some servicing of my Foredom. Remove the sheath, and the inner shaft; which I replaced with a new one. I lubricated the shaft and it can now be used in the shop...if anyone has an old Foredom bring it in and could check it out..there are bushings to replace/shafts to be lubricated and regulated at the coupling end to 3/4 inch showing...thank goodness for youtube ! anyone can be perceived as an expert.


mike m.


Metalworks- in the Beginning     January 31, 2018

At last we have arrived..and are ready to move metal using Brass/Copper sheet/wire. We will be exploring the use of Hydraulic Press to form curvatures, press patterns, die strike Indian stamps and even cut and press out intricate items , through the use of pancakes dies. . we have already made synclastic and anticlastic bracelets which have been textured through the use of hammers and the rolling mill. Each week we try to introduce a new idea and technique. So far so'll take time to build up the confidence and to learn to share ideas. But we'll get there !

Some of the techniques we will be exploring are; corrugation, etching, roll milling, fold forming. Through the use of anvils/stakes and dapping tools we can duplicate the outcomes from the use of the Hydraulic press through alternative techniques. I used to say that one could form a curved bracelet from a wood plank/ wood doming block /steel sinusoidal stakes/broad stakes and a telephone book. The fact is you can. Its not always about the tool more so its more about the person interacting with the tool. Our classes are: Sunday 10:00 AM - 1:15 PM and Mondays 09:00 AM - 1:30 PM and remember there are S/Smithing classes on Saturdays at 9:15 AM-12:15 and Wednesdays 09:00- 12:00 PM . You might also find me there, on the Wednesday S/Smithing classes because its Open Studio-time where you can work at your leisure. This is an Instructor-less Open-Studio time. This shop time has also been allocated for Copper/Brass metals, but you should bring your own tooling because we don't want to mix Silver tooling with Copper/Brass metals tooling. If I am there you can use my tools, which i carry with me always; even to Church... So join us when you have time. Drop in for a chat with people in the shop. I'll give you an over-view of the shop and its presumings...


mike m  


Metal Works  -  February 11, 2018

Dear all,

so nice to see everyone in class, busily engaging in conversation and making jewelry we had some tool repair. A.M. brought in a nice hammer that she found. I removed the wood plug on the top of the hammer to see the peg that tightened the hammer head to the handle. I showed her and others the use of the file to shape this hammer head and hopefully A.M. can create the tool to her specification. then we will after shaping the head, polish the striking faces. I eagerly look forward to the final product.    several people like E.B., S.S. started the fold forming projects. E.B. is just all fired up annealing and folding lines upon her folds.. D.C. marked up a bracelet and fused silver wire to a copper base...this project did not require solder and by simply applying heat to the copper base and adding silver wire created the reticulated surface bracelet at marginal cost.. i've played with this procedure making synclastic copper pipe and using the copper base/ scrap silver to create the same effect. its such a random process and teaches one how to move the silver towards the source of the heat. One of our younger classmates A.M. was busy filing and shaping an oval copper plate and made a tentative copper bracelet. Next week I will be working with him on Etching Copper. We will be using the Ferric Chloride solution to etch his copper project. several of us will be attending the S/Smithing class this Wednesday from 9 AM-12 PM. this class allows us to use the s/smithing tools like the shear cutter and the functioning rolling mill to continue with pattern rolling onto brass/copper..hopefully can also bring in my Cavallin rolling mill which is awfully heavy but will give it a try !

cheers to all and have a hippo Fam-lee-day,

mike m.

Metal Works, February 20, 2018 

Dear all, there are 3 exhibits that might be interesting to visit and they are: 1) Bill Reid Gallery on Homer (if Vancity member you get to bring in one guest free) and another Bill Reid Gallery showing up at the SFU bookstore in the Harbour Centre; his prints/jewellery sculpture held at 555 West Hastings Street, Vancouver, BC 2) Essence in Zisha- Yixing stoneware - February 17-May 31-2018 -theme noted as: Eastern Intangible Cultural -Heritage of Yixing Stoneware at #100-905 West Pender Street, Vancouver,BC --
3) a nice visual presentation of jewelry projects at the downtown campus of VCC of their projects...multi-media on the outside of the library and in the library 3 showcases of an interesting array of hemisphere's..some really exciting and beautiful pieces...very impressive indeed. I will be visiting all of the 3 above this morning ...all of the above are a stones throw away from each other so if you're downtown..make it an outing.

Have a perfect day all, 

mike m.

Metal Works  March 3, 2018

Dear all, the website.... is offering up this weekend view all craft DVD's... get to watch...Victoria Lansford and Granulation (7 her share the spit ??)
..Charles Lewton Brain on fold forming 
..Mark Nelson of Riogrande on silversmithing videos   , Melissa Muir on the Hydraulic press vidoes this weekend...take advantage on tips and tricks of the trade...other crafts also shared..knitting/textiles/bonsai. etc etc and more etceteras..after this weekend you'll all be experts !

mike m. 
Metal Works  March 13, 2018

This past weeks participation at the Metalworks class had members exploring colouring of copper using the torch as well as using Liver of Sulphur to enhance stamped/etched copper/brass metals..we had one brave member even start repousse and chasing using the hydraulic press to impress metal wire onto copper to start the repousse process.
Liver of Sulphur
 the class members are starting to gather more vocabulary of techniques and feeling more at ease with the use of the tooling supplied and we can only expect more design possibilities to follow..enclosed some pics of their works. thanks goes to Margaret who bring her skills at discovery and serendipitous play . We continue to learn from each other..without the others how else could we evolve.

from the kids in the sandbox,

mike m.
 Metal Works   March 15, 2018


Dear all, just passing through the Vancouver Community College to look at their Jewelry courses when I saw an Instructor setting up a display of their student's works...Repousse and Chasing..the display was just being set up but will post these pictures both on Facebook and send to you later tomorrow. And while if you are there, check out their Jewelry library an sight their DVDs..there is a lot of resource here for such a small college.. 

mike m.



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Part II Hard Rock Cafe 30.96 Hastings  Torch Fired Enamelling; Silversmithing; Blacksmithing

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Part VII Hard Rock Cafe 30.96  Hastings  Metal Works Forum Hydraulic Press  Hydraulic Press

Part III Hard Rock Cafe 30.96 Hastings   Books

Part IV  Hard Rock Cafe 30.96 Hastings  Days of Old, Days of Gold

Part V Hard Rock Cafe 30.96 Hastings  Annual Rock and Gem Show : Children Activities too
Part VI  Hard Rock Cafe 30.96 Hastings   Circular Divider, Makerbot

Saturday, April 21, 2018

North Vancouver Low Cost open Housing right off the shelf at Ross' Treasure House

With the housing crunch the way it is now in Metro Vancouver, there's always a back up plan for you at Ross' Miniature Treasure House

This Post is not an endorsement of the shopkeeper but here is the ability to while away your time and getting in at the ground floor and build your own, including flooring, of your choice and all of the amenities.

Land is not an issue here, a table top will do nicely.


Jack Davis tried to sell off BC Hydro; Natural Gas ACCOMPLISHED by Gordon Campbell

Tuesday, April 17, 2018

Remember the Petro Canada experiment? PM Pierre Trudeau created it; PM Jean Chretien Sold it; and now PM Justin Trudeau is buying into Trans Mountain pipelines. What a waste!

There's a lesson there but too bad Pierre Elliot Trudeau is no longer around to coach his kid on the perils of 43 years ago about not going anywhere near the petroleum industry in Canada.  The Petro Canada experiment in 1975 seems to be forgotten when it comes to the Liberals buying into Trans Mountain.

The Americans were a problem back then and they are today.  Nothing has changed.

Petro Canada   Wikipedia:
In 1973, world oil prices quadrupled due to the Arab oil embargo following the Yom Kippur War. The province of Alberta had substantial oil reserves, whose extraction had long been controlled by American corporations. The government of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau and the opposition New Democratic Party felt that these corporations geared most of their production to the American market, and as a result little of the benefit of rising oil prices went to Canadians.

The bill to create a publicly run oil company was introduced by the New Democratic Party in 1973.  Trudeau's Liberals were then in a minority government and dependent upon the support of the NDP to stay in power. The idea also fit with the growing movement toward economic nationalism within the Liberals. The Liberals and NDP passed the bill over the opposition of the Progressive Conservative Party led by Robert Stanfield.

Petro-Canada was founded as a Crown Corporation in 1975 by an act of Parliament. It started its operations on 1 January 1976. The company was given C$1.5 billion in start-up money and easy access to new sources of capital. It was set up in Calgary, despite the hostility of existing oil firms.   Its first president was Maurice Strong. The Progressive Conservatives (PCs), then led by Albertan Joe Clark, were opponents of the company, and advocated breaking it up and selling it. However, they were unable to proceed with these plans during their brief time in power.   .................. SNIP


The federal government will sell its stake in Petro-Canada within the next 12 months, Finance Minister Ralph Goodale said Tuesday in“ a transaction that could bring in almost $3 billion.

Goodale confirmed media speculation about the impending sale just hours before he was due to deliver the budget speech.

In a three-paragraph statement, Goodale said the government would sell its stake in the 2004-2005 fiscal year, but "the precise timing of the sale is yet to be determined."

Rumours have been mounting since a media report on the weekend said Ottawa was considering selling its Petro-Canada (TSX:PCA) stock. Since then, there have been more stories citing unnamed sources.

Three arguments have been advanced to explain the sale of government's 49.4 million shares (about 18.7 per cent) in the Calgary-based company:

  • it needs the money;
  • the timing is right because high oil prices have driven up the value of oil company stocks;
  • the move would be popular in the west, where the Liberals need to bolster their support.
Petrocan shares fell $1.05 to $55.85, valuing Ottawa's stake at about $2.76 billion.   SNIP

Alberta Premier Calgarian Notley is backstopping Justin and Ian just like in the old days

Friday, April 13, 2018

2 Federal Liberal governments interfere with British Columbia environment: Non-Nuclear free Nanoose Bay and now Kinder Morgan

Amazing, or is it a only a coincidence, that it was Jean Chretien's Liberals who stole Nanoose Bay from British Columbians coastal waters and now Justin Trudeau's Liberals doing it all over again.

Two 'products' with the potential to demolish the pristine waters of British Columbia:

Nuclear powered vessels equipped with nuclear weapons, are banned.

There's been enough proof created of the damage caused by crude oil tankers.  It only takes one major spill to ruin the environment.    We're still waiting for the chlorine tankers to start leaking.

Howe Sound and Malaspina Strait

Second edition: Ottawa torpedoes B.C. over Kinder Morgan Pipeline?

Is it there a requirement that British Columbia provide the clean-up equipment to protect our coast from any spill that happen directly or in-directly from vessels carrying Kinder Morgan commodities; and further?  Will the cost to British Columbia be in the same range as the Kinder Morgan's Shareholders having to fork over $7.4 Billion to build the pipeline?  Would British Columbia go after Kinder Morgan for the $7.4 Billion in clean-up costs? 

Will the oil containment booms encircling oil tankers sufficient enough to contain a major leak from their dock at Westbridge in Burnaby?   What steps have been taken to stop petroleum products from being deposited below Kinder Morgan hired vessels at their Westbridge facility?  Is there a rubber mat down there to catch the dilbits?

Ottawa torpedoes B.C. over Nanoose Bay

There's anger in British Columbia as the federal government began procedures to expropriate a torpedo-testing facility on Vancouver Island.

This is the first time in Canadian history that Ottawa has moved to expropriate provincial land over the objections of a provincial government.

The disagreement has little to do with the torpedoes the Americans are firing and a lot to do with the dispute over salmon fishing between Canada and the U.S.
Nanoose Bay is used by both Canadian and U.S. warships. Premier Glen Clark wanted the testing range at Nanoose Bay as a bargaining lever in talks with the United States over salmon. Now Ottawa has decided to override provincial objections and proceed with the expropriation.

Clark also wanted a guarantee that no nuclear warheads would enter B.C. waters. Ottawa has now refused to give that commitment. "It was at the last minute they came back and said they couldn't agree to this, no nuclear warheads," said Clark. "Well, fair enough, but they can't come back and say we're the ones who changed the rules."

Fisheries Minister David Anderson said the government had no choice but to begin expropriation procedures because it has to keep the naval testing base open at all costs.

"The steps we are taking today are regrettable. We would have far preferred a negotiated solution and a renewed lease by that method... but that proved impossible." 



THE NANOOSE BAY TEST RANGE: OWNERSHIP AND EXPROPRIATION   Prepared by: Mollie Dunsmuir Law and Government Division 22 June 1999

The Minister of National Defence explained the expropriation as follows:

The Government of Canada cannot permit itself to be put in breach of its international obligations. As such I have reluctantly asked the Minister of Public Works and Government Services to initiate the process of expropriation [to ensure that there is no disruption of operations when the current licence expires on September 4, 1999]. I have done this because CFMETR is important to the national security of Canada, significant to the economic well-being of the local communities in the Nanaimo area, and essential to Canada’s ability to fulfil our defence commitments at home and abroad.(4)

Unless U.S.-Canadian salmon talks resume soon, a key Canadian torpedo range used by the U.S. Navy base at Keyport will be closed. 

By Lloyd Pritchett
Sun Staff

Disruptions spawned by the Pacific salmon dispute between Canada and the United States could soon spread beyond the Alaska state ferry system to impact a prized torpedo testing range in Canada used extensively by the U.S. Navy.

Glen Clark, premier of Canada's westernmost province of British Columbia, has decided to shut down the underwater test range on Aug. 22 if the dispute over salmon fishing quotas is not worked out by then. The range is used primarily by the Naval Undersea Warfare Center at Keyport, West Sound's third-largest employer.

"The countdown is on," said Jean Wolff, spokesman for Clark.

Canadian fishermen late Monday ended a three-day blockade of the Alaska state ferry Malaspina in Prince Rupert, B.C., but vowed to keep fighting for a fair share of the millions of Pacific salmon roaming between Alaska, Canada, Washington state and Oregon.

They say U.S. fishermen are illegally harvesting Canadian salmon and threatened to take further action if there is no settlement in a week.

At the same time, B.C. Premier Clark signaled that he will go ahead and close the Nanoose Bay naval testing range off Vancouver Island in a month unless the United States signs a renewed Pacific salmon treaty with Canada by then or agrees to accept binding arbitration on a new salmon treaty.

"Cancelling the (testing range) agreement will demonstrate that there are consequences when the U.S. ignores its international obligations, including treaty commitments to Canada," Clark wrote in a letter to Canada Prime Minister Jean Chretien.

"It is no longer tolerable to have the U.S. government enjoy the benefits of the use of Nanoose Bay, at the same time as it denies Canada the benefits and protection owing to Canadian salmon under the Pacific Salmon Treaty," he wrote.


Google Search Criteria:    Nanoose Bay Torpedo testing range expropriation


B.C. regains torpedo range

British Columbia regained jurisdiction yesterday over a controversial underwater torpedo-testing range off Vancouver Island in a court decision that could rekindle old animosities between Ottawa and the West Coast.

The federal government expropriated the Nanoose Bay torpedo test range in September of 2000, the first federal expropriation of provincial property since lands were taken for the railways in the early years of the 20th century.

The federal process of expropriation was flawed "and cannot stand," Mr. Justice Douglas Campbell of the Federal Court of Canada said in a 45-page ruling.

A report of public hearings on the expropriation did not provide a full account of the grounds of objection, he said. In a report to the federal minister, the hearing officer gave contentious subjective analysis that was not required and failed to report information that was required, Judge Campbell also said.

A federal government spokesman said Ottawa has not yet decided whether it will appeal the ruling.
"We're reviewing the decision and will decide on what action to take in the coming days," Dan del Villano, a public works official, said.

Ottawa expropriated the land in the heat of a bitter fight with the New Democratic Party government of former premier Glen Clark over salmon fishing, support for fishing communities and the presence of nuclear-powered submarines in Canadian coastal waters.

 The province owned the seabed off the eastern coast of Vancouver Island, but the federal government had leased the 225-square kilometre site for more than three decades, mostly for use by the U.S. Navy.


Google Search Criteria:   Kinder Morgan Regulated by Transport Canada 


Trans Mountain Pipeline System

 In operation since 1953, the Trans Mountain pipeline system (TMPL) is the only pipeline system in North America that transports both crude oil and refined products to the west coast. TMPL moves product from Edmonton, Alberta, to marketing terminals and refineries in the central British Columbia region, the Greater Vancouver area and the Puget Sound area in Washington state, as well as to other markets such as California, the U.S. Gulf Coast and overseas through the Westridge marine terminal located in Burnaby, British Columbia. Only crude oil and condensates are shipped into the United States. 



In 1984, a more specific question was placed before the Supreme Court in Re Strait of Georgia.(9) Without challenging the general principle set forth in Offshore Minerals, British Columbia claimed that the historical documentation surrounding the establishment of the province proved that certain bodies of water, and the seabed beneath them, had in fact been within the boundaries of the province at Confederation, and were therefore still the property of the province. The question put to the Supreme Court of Canada was:

Are the lands or any part or parts thereof including the mineral and other natural resources of the seabed and subsoil, covered by the waters of the Strait of Juan de Fuca, the Strait of Georgia (sometimes called the Gulf of Georgia), Johnstone Strait and Queen Charlotte Strait (bounded on the south by the international boundary between Canada and the United States of America, on the west by a line from Tatoosh Island lighthouse to Bonilla Point reference mark and on the north by a straight line drawn across Queen Charlotte Strait from Greeting Point on Nigei Island to McEwan Point on Bramham Island) the property of the Queen in Right of the Province of British Columbia?(10)

Dickson J. summarized the issue before the court:

In the 1967 Off-shore Reference this court applied the reasoning in Keyn [an 1876 British case standing for the proposition that the realm of England extended only to the low-water mark, and all beyond was the high seas] to the territorial sea surrounding British Columbia. It held that though immediately prior to Confederation this three-mile strip might well have been "British territory," the Imperial Parliament had done nothing to extend the boundaries of British Columbia to include this strip, and therefore the normal assumptions should prevail, namely, that the territory of the colony just prior to Confederation ended at the low-water mark...
In order to succeed in the present Reference, therefore, British Columbia must demonstrate that prior to Confederation either the lands and waters in question were "within the realm" as the term is used in The Queen v. Keyn or else that by some overt act Britain incorporated them into the territory of the Colony of British Columbia so as to displace the "normal assumption" cited in the 1967 Offshore Reference...
If [British Columbia] cannot make good on either claim, then the lands and waters were not within the province at Confederation, the United Kingdom retained them between 1871 and the period (1919-1931) during which Canada acquired sovereign status and succeeded to the rights of the United Kingdom.(11)

The Supreme Court found that the historical documentation, and in particular the 1866 Imperial Act for the Union of the Colony of Vancouver Island with the Colony of British Columbia had incorporated the straits in question within the boundaries of the colony of British Columbia, and that they therefore continued to be within the boundaries of the Province of British Columbia after Confederation. The western boundary of first the colony and then the Province of British Columbia was the "Pacific Ocean," meaning the open Pacific, "thus making the western boundary of the United Colony the coastline formed by the several islands off the coast of British Columbia, including Vancouver Island."(12) The straits at issue were within the boundaries of British Columbia, and therefore the seabed and subsoil of those straits were the property of the province.



Trans Mountain Pipeline Submission to the ... - Transport Canada



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Say No 2 Moe!!!  Saskatchewan Premier:

If both Alberta and Saskatchewan cut B.C. off from neighbouring fuel supplies, Moe feels it will be an effective enough message, and is not considering other measures.

Moe is adamant that this is pipeline is federal jurisdiction, and as it has approval from the National Energy Board, construction needs to go ahead.

“[Are] the ports, are the pipelines, are the railways under the federal purview? Is the coastline a Canadian coastline or is it a British Columbian coastline? Because if it is not a Canadian coastline then we have another conversation to have,” Moe said.


Hey Moe, the answer is NO