Tuesday, December 23, 2014

Barriere BC hasn't changed its name, but Where is Stout's Gulch?

In searching old records we often come across names that we don't recognize, like Eburne aka Marpole.   BC Geo is the site that decipher's old names longitude latitude, like Barriere, BC, which had a gold strike in 1861 on the banks of the North Thompson River.

Once upon a time Deer were more prevalent in British Columbia....... so for today's hunters, here are some old time longitude latitudes.

This document has more to do with Stout's Gulch aka Barkerville...... than Barriere, but the 'theory' of W. H. Mathews is the same for both gold sitings just waiting to be rediscovered.

W. H. Mathews

Lode Gold Deposits sometimes has a file name spelled Load Gold Deposits: eg. South Eastern BC, South Western BC, and Vancouver Island BC.  'Load' will generate three more documents than a search for 'Lode'.

"Drain Lake for Gold" label??? it was!!!
Page 4 of 17 listing of gold camps   1948  Load Gold Deposits South Eastern British Columbia

....... Course of veins Compared with Placer Diggings.

Page 24 of 60: In my topographical examination of the country, I could not help observing that, without exception, your extremely rich placers lay immediately below the quartz veins; as, for instance, if we start at the Lord Dufferin claim and follow the croppings passing the old Prospine, now called the California, and continuing along the vein in a north-west course, you will find, immediately below, or at the base of the mountain to our left, runs Williams Creek, which has yielded many million of gold, much of it extremely coarse, intermingled with quartz; while to our right, at the base of the same mountain, runs the Conklin Gulch, which also yielded large quantities of gold, as, indeed, both places are yet doing.

Continuing along the course of the vein and crossing Williams Creek at the canon until the summit going towards Lowhee is reached, we find Stout's Gulch lying to the left and below the vein.  All know how extremely rich that gulch has been, while it is, even now, being hydrauliced far up the mountain side towards the vein.   Following the vein over the summit dividing Stout's Gulch from Lowhee Creek, we find the latter has been rich; and within a very few days samples of heavy gold have been pounded out of quartz found while sluicing.

In the vicinity of the Pinkerton claim the vein crosses Lowhee Creek and pierces the mountain, continuing towards the Jack of Clubs Lake, taking in the Enterprise, now called the "Senator Jones", and extension, "Governor Perkins".

The vein, extending up and through the mountain, no doubt supplied Lowhee Creek with the coarse gold mentioned above; and as the vein crosses through the mountain, the gold found on teh banks of the lake perhaps came from the same source.

I think I shall warn venturesome spirits from attempting to pump the lake out in their anxiety to find gold.

In continuing my survey, I find no source from which the rich diggings of Mosquito Creek derived their gold except from the large, well -defined, and continuous vein and cross veins passing through Island Mountain.  Returning to Lord Dufferin, I was not surprised to find that Grouse Creek could not possibly have received its bounteous supply of gold fro any other source than from the Bonanza vein, where it crosses Grouse Creek as it passes from the California claim and continues through to Lord Dufferin ground towards Antler Creek; and surely no one will question the source whence that creek derived its gold, when not a dollar is being mined above where the vein crosses either the Grouse or Antler Creeks.

I find it impossible to embrace the Burns Mountain in this report; but from observation and information obtained from P. C. Dunlevy, of Soda Creek --- a disinterested person, I think --- I am led to think that the Burns Mountain veins supplied millions mined from Lightning Creek, no gold being found above a point where Mr. Dunlevy supposed the veins crossed the creek.

While I may seem to have been somewhat exhaustive in my report of the above veins, I will say I have been shown samples of ore from what, at present, may be termed outside veins -- notably the Steadman, Sergeant Lindsay, and other veins reaching so far away as Sugar Creek -- and they, without exception, show well-defined walls, and invariably prospect well in gold.  Those on Sugar Creek, however, carry a higher percentage of silver than gold; and beyond doubt, many veins exist not yet discovered.  The country is thickly covered with wees and moss, which makes prospect in or following veins somewhat difficult; but the day is not far distant, in my judgement, when many prospectors will be found busily engaged in uncovering good paying veins.  Some will meet with success, while the dreams of wealth of others will, unhappily, never be realized.  Such is too often the fate of the prospector, which can, in a measure, be palliated by the Government, as I will explain further on.  (See Mineral Survey.)

I must not neglect to account for supposed veins carrying free gold, in some cases lying higher up the mountains than the true veins, which have but little free gold; notably one which was discovered high up -- in fact, on the summit of the mountain above the B. C. mines.

During the glacial period all was chaos.  The irresistible force did not always choose its course and destroy the tops of veins and carry them down to creeks below.  On the contrary, portions of a vein were in some cases detached and carried many miles and landed on some mountain top hundreds of feet height than its original bed, as in the case mentioned.   Instead of being ground and crumbled sufficiently fine to admit of being gradually washed to the creeks below, it was carried in the case of a jam or drift of timber in a swollen stream, where trees may be seen piled up many feet, and beyond the line of the jam.  In such cases the elements have but little effect on the supposed vein, and it lies there undisturbed, while thousands of tons broken ground fine have at the same time been washed to the creeks below. ...................

Mining operation for Gold, Coal, Company

Google Search Criteria for around Barriere
'Open pit, on the northern slopes of Samatosum Mountain, 25 kilometres east of Barriere and 60 kilometres north of Kamloops (Friesen, 1990).


And, if you're the least bit curious about that there deserted road bed which appears to be a dead end, whether you're there in person, or looking on a map, or in Google Earth, or BC Geo, just pop the longitude latitude coordinates into the programs to find what's nearby, 5, 10, 15 kilometer radius,
from this here novice starter spreadsheet:

Excel Table of Historic Mines

eg.  Drilling Resumes on the Mucho Oro Zone - Barkerville Gold ... Stouts Gulch


This document shows Iceflow routes throughout BC.... which if it's true that GOLD deposits have been hopping from a low hill to the top an adjacent mountain then why not build a database on where that's happened eh.... to find another Barkerville 

Soil Landscapes of British Columbia Page 49 of 196

Kootenay Lake is REALLY deep which means the Mount Polley dam busters deposits will go DEEP too.

Friday, December 5, 2014

Veterans' 100 years: Canada 'promises made to the ear are being broken to the hope'

 In the Province newspaper this morning there was an article providing a step forward on behalf of our armed forces personnel and then in a blink of an eye, the newspaper inserted an abbreviated typeset, lower case, lack of Ink, or a column's width ....   "Vets need .......".

Veterans need!

In a 2008 CBC 'Hockey Night in Canada' broadcast, Don Cherry laid into a fellow journalist for shortening Memorial to simply Mem.
(Cherry's family history: One grandfather was a Mountie who had to defend against Whiskey traders, and another fought at Vimy Ridge in the World War I.  Explains a bit about how he ALWAYS mentions soldiers and chastises those who say "Mem" Cup instead of Memorial Cup.)
The Memorial Cup was proposed by Captain James T. Sutherland during World War I, who wanted to create a trophy as a memorial to remember the OHA's players who died during the war. When the trophy was created, it was dedicated in honour of the soldiers who died fighting for Canada in the war. It was rededicated during the 2010 tournament to honour all soldiers who died fighting for Canada in any conflict.
The Province's headline punch of   VET   brought me up to attention thinking that Health Minister Terry Lake was about to have the riot act read out to him in regards to the firings of the health researchers in 2012.   Terry Lake, if you are unaware, is a certified Veterinarian, a 'Vet' without front line duties. 

2014  The Province:
Wounded war vets need special rights in the same way as aboriginals

Veterans deserve special treatment under the constitution in the same way aboriginals are guaranteed unique rights, a lawyer for six soldiers injured in Afghanistan has told British Columbia's top court.

The federal government is obligated to make good on nearly century-old promises to care for the only citizens it orders into possible death while fighting to make "our country possible," Don Sorochan told a trio of judges as he disputed that aboriginals are the only extraordinary case.

"The politicians acknowledge this. They stand by the cenotaphs," Sorochan said Thursday in the B.C. Court of Appeal.

"And yet we have an argument raised here ... that veterans are only entitled to whatever benefits the Parliament of the day may deem to be necessary. ........"
  - Tamsyn Burgmann - Canadian Press

Of Copies of Resolution Presented to the Premier and Members of the Executive by a Large Gathering of War Veterans, Patriotic and other Associations at the Parliament Buildings, April 10th, 1918.

Premier's Office,
11th April, 1918.
John Oliver,

Inasmuch as the delegates of the returned soldiers who went to Ottawa recently to confer with Sir Robert Borden and his colleagues in matters of vital importance in this crucial time of the Empire's history have come a way from that conference in several instances disappointed men.

Their disappointment will be shared by many and the feeling is widespread that promises made to the ear are being broken to the hope. It was known to the Government that the returned men had considered questions with regard to "enemy aliens," with respect to the conscription of men of alien races, and other matters of equal importance. The Government recognized the fact that the War Veterans were men who would debate these questions with tact, judgment, and experience, and, more than that, their sufferings and their sacrifices would give them a status for the expression of opinion which could not be ignored, but deserved and demanded consideration, and the Government, as was to be expected, very rightly asked the War Veterans to bring the result of their deliberations before them.

This has been done, and the result has been that for the present, at any rate, the War Veterans must bear the disappointment that "the Government is unable to accept their proposals."

There is not a returned man who is not alive to the difficulties and clangers of the complicated questions which now confront the Governments in all parts of the Empire.  However, it was decided at a meeting of all returned men, held in this city on April 6th, that a public demonstration is necessary, and that all bodies interested in the enemy alien question should be asked to take part in the demonstration, and also to adopt the resolution as set forth. .....................

 Is the government paying bonuses to VAC officials to cut services?

Fri, Dec 5: There was a contentious point raised in Question Period Friday as opposition MPs claimed the government has been paying Veterans Affairs Canada officials to cut jobs and services.

December 9, 2014
Pete McMartin: Disabled veterans’ rights a matter of law, or justice?

The federal government risks political backlash by treating injured vets like liabilities>

...... “When members of the Canadian Forces put on the uniform of their country,” the suit’s statement of claim argued, “they make an extraordinary personal commitment to place the welfare of others ahead of their personal interests, to serve Canada before self and to put themselves at risk, as required, in the interests of the nation. A veteran, whether regular or reserve, active or retired, is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank cheque made payable to ‘the Government of Canada,’ for an mount of ‘up to and including their life.’ This commitment to make the ultimate sacrifice reflects their honour in the service of their country.”

As proof of an existing covenant, the statement of claim cited a 1917 speech by Prime Minister Robert Borden during the First World War: “The government and the country will consider it their first duty,” Borden said, “to see that a proper appreciation of your effort and of your courage is brought to the notice of people at home that no man, whether he goes back or whether he remains in Flanders, will have just cause to reproach the government for having broken faith with the men who won and the men who died.” .......


But here is the thing:

It’s a shame this case had to go to court in the first place. There are things worth keeping in the New Veterans Charter, but appraising the trauma of disabled veterans as you might an insurance claim — in which payouts are prorated according to the severity of a veteran’s wounds, as if losing a leg was akin to fender bender — is not one of them. Veterans are not liabilities on an actuarial table. The government should either have upped the amount of the lump sum payments substantially, as other countries have, or scrapped them altogether in favour of lifetime pensions.

The judgment in the BC Court of Appeal isn’t expected until some time in the new year.
If the government does win its case in court, I’d suggest it will be a Pyrrhic victory.